. '''To Brain''' '''[[Brain#CAcert_Inc._-_CAcert.org_Members_Association| CAcert Inc. - CAcert.org Members Association]]''' - '''[[AGM|General Meetings]]''' - '''To Brain CAcert Inc. Committee''' '''[[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes| Meeting Agendas & Minutes]]''' - '''[[OverviewProjectsBoard|Board's Project Overview]]''' - '''[[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/ActionItems|Current Action Items]]''' - '''[[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2024-05-02|last meeting]]''' - '''[[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2024-06-06|SGM meeting]]''' - '''[[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2024-08-08|next meeting]]''' ---- = Committee Meeting 2024-07-04 18:00 UTC = The meeting will take place at '''[[http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Board+Meeting&iso=2024-07-04T18:00:00|18:00 UTC]]''' at https://meet.jit.si/cacert If you do not have audio channel, you may try in the IRC channel '''#board-meeting''' on the [[https://irc.cacert.org/#board-meeting|CAcert IRC network]]. Feel free to add a business item within the acceptance period of 48 hours or your question to the board below. Non-committee members: the committee may choose to convert any business proposed as a question in the questions section. || '''Daylight Saving Time:''' 18:00 UTC = 20:00 CEST (Geneva) = 14:00 EDT (New York) || == Agenda == '''Signs that appear in the agenda'''<
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> (!) Discussion topic with or with no decision. 1. Preliminaries one 1. Chair opens the Committee Meeting 1. Who is making minutes? 1. Chair asks whether [[https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private|cacert-board-private]] or [[https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board|cacert-board]] maillist or Threema chat or Telegram group includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members. 1. Accept minutes from [[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2024-04-04#Minutes|4. April 2024]] "I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 4th of April 2024." 1. Accept minutes from [[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2024-05-16#Minutes|16. May 2024]] "I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 16th of May 2024." 1. Accept minutes from [[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2024-06-06#Minutes|6. Juni 2024]] "I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 6th of June 2024." 1. Agree on the '''8th of August 2024''' as date for the next committee meeting. (Following dates probably 5. Sept 2024, 3. Oct 2024, 7. Nov 2024 18:00 UTC) 1. Business 1. Decisions 1. 1. '''Background Check''' 1. done 1. {i} BGC for Brian is done. Report received by the secretary. 1. {i} BGC for Gero: Interview happened (by Ted&Etienne), committee is waiting for the report (has to be sent by Gero). 1. pipeline (list to review, complete, slow down or speed up) (will we start new ones? who? done by who?) 1. {i} BGC for Peter is initiated. (date searching; Interview by Ted&Egal) 1. {i} BGC for Matthias are initiated. (date searching started in August 2022) 1. {i} BGC for Sascha are initiated. (language: en or de) 1. '''Events'''<
>[[Events/UpcomingEvents|FrOSCon 2024]] (Organisation: Dirk, Content: Brian) 1. {i} '''e-Mail 3'''<
>issue: implement new addtional standards<
>who: Kim, JanDD<
>done: analysis<
>next step: implement SPF, followed by DKIM/DMARC; steps SRS/validation after SGM<
>what help needed: Until more people show up to do the actual work, Jan does not see that step 5 (validation) will happen. There is no way this will happen in short term. 1. '''OpenID'''<
>issue: alpha or beta version available<
>who: Brian, +?<
>what help needed:<
>next step: glue together<
>FrOSCon 2024 1. '''CiviCRM'''<
>issue: install, following plan<
>who: Frédéric G<
>what help needed: Brian looks for a way outside critical<
>next step: Frédéric will install/introduce it for accounting and members list 1. {i} '''Big Mail'''<
>issue: review and sending<
>who: Etienne, Dirk<
>what help needed: none<
>done: text finished; provereading<
>next step: sending) 1. '''Affiliate'''<
> {i} The booking.com affiliate account is now connected to Swiss bank account. If you book your trips via the button on our site, we receive a few dozen euros. 1. '''Paypal''' 1. {i} issue: get the money ([[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2023-09-07/ClawbackAction|ClawbackAction]])<
>who: Frédéric G, Etienne, +?<
>On May 3rd, PP announced after 300 days, that our funds will sent to our bank account within 2-3 days.<
>On May 6th the funds arrived in Switzerland at the bank account.<
>The treasurer did not close all Singapore based PP accounts at the moment, as there is still a complaint and we hope to get some money as we did in 2020 in Australia. 1. {i} issue: Paypal Australia blocked the Australian account on xx-05-2024.<
>next steps: (info Australia at the meeting)<
>who: 1. {i} Blog updated with Conotexia-links (not only the QR codes) 1. '''Class 1 / Class 3'''<
>issue: change the policy<
>who: Kim, +?<
>what help needed:<
>next step: submit proposals or drafts for discussion at Policy group 1. '''SGM Future''' (by FG)<
>issue: maybe dissolution of the association?<
>Last step: Pro and con discussed at [[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2024-05-16|SGM meeting]] on May 16th 2024<
>Next steps: Waiting for discussion on PolG<
>information by secretary<
>Fix a date<
>see table in the annexe for details<
>please see not only the limit (Fix Date) but also the reality (When done?) as always a volunteer has to do it in time<
>Who: Frédéric G. and Secretary<
>Annexe: [[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2024-06-06/SGM]] 1. on hold (for later this year) 1. Infrastructure: (Dirk) 1. Start thinking about planning when to do things about new roots, so we are prepared several years in advance, as no certs should have a end-date after any root certificates. Also take a look at the old Escrow article. https://wiki.cacert.org/Roots/EscrowAndRecovery 1. How is it going with implementing LetsEncrypt certificates on public facing services, instead of keeping them behind CAcert's "unknown" certificates? 1. Remote Assurance ('''Brian''') 1. {i} Creation of remote assurance sub committee (RASC) on the hold until Eva is available for the policy. ~-Secretary got in touch with Eva on Oct. 12.<
>''"Users Requests, summarized."'' added by Aleš a) need for a distant assurance (no assurers, no TTP possibility in their country); b) need for the write access to our Wiki.-~ 1. Any other business (board members forgot to ask the secretary to put it on the agenda) 1. What's coming next? ??? 1. Question Time {{{#!wiki note Questions from CAcert.org community members can be added until beginning of committee meeting! As well questions can be asked at "Question Time", without added question here. }}} 1. ''"Question One."'' added by Your Name ''Comment: Replace "Question One" by your Question and add your name'' 1. Closing ## 1. (!) Setting priorities for the first part of the year (discussion, decision) ## 1. OpenID, Elephant, ERP ## 2. Big Mail, Paypal, Backgroundcheck ## 3. OrgaA, Tax exemption<
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>Following the '''priorities''', some of the following topics have to be moved back in time. They will be picked up a soon as another has been completed: ## 1. '''OrgA'''<
>issue: reactivate and create group<
>who: ?, +?<
>what help needed:<
>next step: ---- 1. To remember: Goals 2021/2022 (propositions by board 2020/2021) - Each goal needs a responsible person on the board who keeps an eye on it and reports regularly, keeps in touch with the responsible people. {X} obsolete / (./) started / {OK} waiting for available time * push OrgA (Guy) * expand PR (Alex cannot do this, wants to hand over) * (./) delivering the OpenID Connect integration, for which CAcert is funded by the RIPE NCC. * (./) expand background check * {OK} remote assurance, if accepted by the community; * (./) simplify the certificate creation (this enables the start of various projects from the pipeline) * software development and testing * (./) New CSR software * {X} support SecureU (find an active board member for them in Germany) 1. Not to forget: Staffing the teams 1. Applicants to the Infrastructure team 1. Applicants to the Development team 1. Applicant to the Critical team <> 1. Access to local systems for board members ||''Person'' ||''Board-Private'' ||''Committee Archive'' ||''Wiki'' ||''Nextcloud'' || || Brian || (./) || (./) || (./) || (./) || || Etienne || (./) || Admin || (./) || (./) || || FrédéricD || (./) || (./) || (./) || Admin || || FrédéricG || (./) || (./) || (./) || (./) || || Kim || (./) || (./) || (./) || (./) || || Michael || (./) || (./) || || (./) || || Wacław || || (./) || || ? || || Aleš || (./) || (./) || (./) || (./) || 1. Tasks assigned to Board Members and others ||''Person'' ||''Task'' ||''Deadline'' ||''Other People Involved'' ||''Notes'' || ||Brian ||''Contact QA/QC Volunteers'' ||''10 January 2022'' ||''Gero Treuner, Peter Nunn, others?'' ||''To begin work, they do not need ABC.'' || ||Brian ||''bla'' ||'' 2022'' ||''xxx'' ||''xx.'' || ||Brian ||''bla'' ||'' 2022'' ||''xxx'' ||''xx.'' || || || || || || || ---- 1. Software Team 1. Issue [[https://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1502|1502]]: Adapt the UI at CAcert.org to deal with the "keygen" feature having been removed in browsers (Some of this will be met with [[https://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1502|1551]] ) 1. Issue [[https://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1482|1482]]: Limit validity period of new HTTPS certificates to one year 1. Issue [[http://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1444|1444]]: PHP - Brian 1. '''Issue [[http://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1417|1417]]: Keygen / new CSR software - Bernhard''' 1. Organisation Assurance 1. How to relance OrgA? (Guy) 1. Grant applications 1. Protopype Fund https://prototypefund.de/en/ ([[https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-committee-archive/2021-05/msg00005.html|mail to SW]] Board only) 1. The Prototype Fund is a project of the Open Knowledge Foundation Germany, funded by the Federal Ministry of Education and Research (BMBF). This is for residents of Germany only. We could create a group of people that work on a project for CAcert (with all support of the others in the background). It runs for two more years, every 6 month. 1. Infra does not see any acute need at the moment, and does not have the capacity to provide qualified support. 1. There are some ideas for software, but in infra's view there is still a lot of conceptual and preparatory work missing. What Infra could imagine is financing people to carry out a requirements analysis and write a requirements and test specification. This could then be used as a basis for a new implementation of the CAcert software (WebDB, Signer and perhaps other things like CATS). But these are just a few ideas of JanDD and he cannot currently recommend any people who would be suitable for this. Potential candidates would have to deal intensively with the existing software on the one hand and with the underlying policies on the other, and would have to identify a lot of missing information, ask for it and make assumptions for discussion. This requires very good analytical and communication skills and a high level of stamina. 1. Blockchain 1. see here: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-01/ideas#Blockchain (waiting for answer from IanG) ## ####################################################################################### ## FILL IN MEETING AGENDA ITEMS FROM LAST MEETING MINUTES DEFERRED TO NEXT MEETING ## ####################################################################################### <> == Minutes Committee meeting - 2024-07-04 == Present, by alphabetical order: Frédéric Dumas, Aleš Kastner, Brian McCullough, Étienne Ruedin<
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>Members of the CAcert community and other guests Dirk Astrath === 1 Opening === Chair Brian McCullough opens the meeting at 18:10 UTC.<
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> '''Minutes April 4, 2024'''<
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> The following amendment to point 7 was made: "7. Special General Meeting Frédéric D presented a draft of the plan. Étienne asked for a written description of the points in favour of keeping CAcert in business and the points in favour of closing the association, so that members could understand the ins and outs". Acceptance of the minutes in this corrected version. Result of the vote: Aye: 4 Naye: 0 Abstain: 0 The minutes were accepted.<
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> '''Minutes May 16, 2024'''<
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> Result of the vote: Aye: 3 Naye: 0 Abstain: 1 The minutes were accepted.<
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> '''Minutes June 6, 2024'''<
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> ## Skip discussion or reduce ## Frédéric D. objects that the current version of the minutes of June 6 mentions two votes in favour of the motion on money transfer rules, which is less than the quorum required to adopt a motion. However, Étienne states that the motion was adopted. ## Étienne explains that additional votes had subsequently been recorded in the voting machine; he explains that when these votes occurred in the days following the committee meeting, he did not record them in the minutes of the meeting; he explains that he had been doing this for several years. ## Frédéric D. pointed out a logical inconsistency: it was not possible to record in the minutes of the meeting that a motion had been adopted, if it was reported that only two votes had been recorded, below the quorum required to proceed with the vote. Etienne asked a point of order. It was accepted and the discussion interrupted. Aye: 2 ## E/B/ Naye: 0 ## unknown: Aleš Abstain: 1 ## F Acceptance of the minutes was adjourned. === 2 Business === 1. '''Background Check'''<
>Skiped, as already voted last meeting. 1. '''Events'''<
>Egal is organising [[Events/UpcomingEvents|FrOSCon 2024]], with at least 3 people present. They will present OenIDconnect. 1. '''e-Mail 3'''<
>Until more people show up to do the actual work, Jan does not see that step 5 (validation) will happen. There is no way this will happen in short term. 1. '''OpenID'''<
>Brian and Dirk are working on it with Drupal and WordPress. It will be presented at FrOSCon 2024. 1. '''CiviCRM'''<
>Frédéric G did not get in touch with Brian until now. 1. '''Big Mail'''<
>The text is reviewed. Next step: sending. 1. '''Affiliate'''<
> {i} The booking.com affiliate account is now connected to Swiss bank account. If you book your trips via the button on our site, we receive a few dozen euros. 1. '''Paypal'''<
>Blog updated with Conotoxia-links (not only the QR codes). 1. '''Class 1 / Class 3'''<
>Kim will submit proposals or drafts for discussion at Policy group. 1. '''SGM Future''' ## Missing Nr 1-10 ## ## PolG did nothing ## Policy Group calls for discussion on the possible closure of the CAcert community ## This is Nr. 11 ## ## Frédéric D. reminds us that we are waiting for CAcert members to be officially informed of the committee's initiative (initiative of a minority, supported by some in the way to not block the discussion) to consult them on whether CAcert should continue or be discontinued, without hurting anyone's feelings. ## Brian reminds everyone that they can individually initiate the discussion within the policy group. Frédéric reminded us that Étienne's request for an introductory text to be drawn up beforehand on the pros and cons of maintaining or stopping CAcert was intended to enlighten the members of the community and avoid misunderstandings; this is the aim of the preparatory work carried out by the (some) members of the committee over the last 6 months. ## Étienne wondered how to call for a discussion without being able to redirect readers to this discussion via a link. Frédéric suggested (1) publishing on the CAcert blog the "pros" and "cons" drafted collectively, while inviting people to open and continue the discussion on the policy group list, (2) publishing on several discussion lists for members the "pros" and "cons", and again inviting people to continue the discussion on the policy group list. Étienne confirms that he will make an announcement. ==== Date of CAcert's Annual General Meeting ==== Dirk is considering calling the next AGM in September. Frédéric objects that it should be held in November, as in previous years, so as not to artificially shorten the terms of office of committee members. Brian has no objection to the AGM being held in January 2025. Dirk objects that the date should not extend beyond the end of the calendar year. Étienne presents a list of dates on which AGMs have been held in the past, and notes that some have been held in November and even December. The secretary is asked to collect the opinions including the absent members on the board private mailing list concerning the proposed date 28. Sept. 2024 18:00 UTC. ==== 3 Question Time ==== Aleš explains that a new version of the CPS that he has been working on is currently being reviewed by Dirk and Jan. === Closing === Chair Brian closes the meeting at 19:40 UTC. Date of the next meeting: The next meeting will be held on Thursday August 8, 2024 at 18:00 UTC <> === Motions === * https://motion.cacert.org/motions/m20240704.1 (Minutes April) * https://motion.cacert.org/motions/m20240704.2 (Minutes 16. May) <> === Actions === || ''Who'' || ''Status'' || ''Action'' || || Minutemaker || wip || prepare Agenda and Minutes for the next meeting || || Brian || Software meeting || every 2 month || || Secretary || bank || accounts, contact with treasurer || ---- . CategoryBoardMinutes