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ⓘ sat|away s'appelle désormais sat 
20:00:07
sat
Good morning and good evening! 
20:00:16
bdmc
Etienne:  I like your "address :: 0000@localhost" ! 
20:00:36
Etienne
??? 
20:00:44
Hello! 
20:01:48
KimNilsson
Hello 
20:01:57
bdmc
According to my calendar, the time has come, correct? 
20:02:17
sat
yes 
20:02:31
bdmc
Etienne: Would you please post the Agenda URL for the few of us that are here? 
20:02:56
sat
I have another meeting in parallel - so if I am not responding you know why. 
20:03:13
bdmc
Incidentally, I hereby call this meeting of the Board of CAcert, Inc, to order. 
20:03:33
Etienne
https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-09-01 
20:03:58
https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-08-04#Minutes 
20:04:33
KimNilsson
For those that have access, here are the minutes. If you can, you are free to help out making sure the minutes are as close to reality as possible. 
20:04:36
https://nextcloud.cacert.org/apps/files/?dir=/CAcert%20board/CAcert%20-%20Committee%20meetings&openf... 
20:05:38
KimNilsson
"here are today's minutes", I meant to say 
20:07:02
bdmc
Would anybody like to offer a motion to accept last month's minutes? 
20:07:24
sat
yes 
20:07:31
KimNilsson
I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 4th of August 2022. 
20:07:37
sat
I second 
20:07:39
Etienne
aye 
20:07:50
bdmc
Aye 
20:08:03
sat
abstain 
20:08:45
bdmc
Is there anything in either the Board Private or Board mailing lists that we need to discuss? 
20:09:09
Etienne
nothing heard 
20:09:45
bdmc
Thank you. 
20:10:02
Is there anything to discuss regarding Wiki access? 
20:10:27
KimNilsson
I HAVE WIKI ACCESS! 
20:10:34
bdmc
Ta Daaa!! 
20:11:19
Etienne
and Michael as well (just waiting for his confirmation) 
20:11:48
bdmc
Moving on.   Item 2.3 -- Finance --- I saw Michael's id when I logged in, but I suspect that he isn't actually here. 
20:11:50
Etienne
KimNilsson: How to register your vote for the agenda? 
20:12:06
KimNilsson
Aye 
20:12:31
Etienne
Thank you, Kim. bdmc: maybe move to openid 
20:12:34
KimNilsson
Sorry, it's fairly cpmmon that the person asking to move for something is an automatic Aye. 
20:13:00
bdmc
Yes, I was confused with that when I first started attending these meetings. 
20:13:28
KimNilsson
I will confirm with Aye in the future. 
20:13:35
bdmc
Item 2.4 -- OpenID Connect 
20:14:57
bdmc
I don't remember -- yes, I just checked last month's minutes, and, as I said last month, Jan has been doing some work on the overall structure and way that the project is installed. 
20:15:50
KimNilsson
Is that new from last month, or a repeat of what you said then? 
20:16:04
bdmc
That, combined with his family vacation, has helped delay my efforts.  I am still working to have something to show by the end of this month. 
20:16:13
KimNilsson
Gotcha 
20:16:56
bdmc
Unless there are other questions, I will move on. 
20:17:01
KimNilsson
go 
20:17:11
Etienne
Are we in time? (I have no idea until when we should ....) 
20:18:30
bdmc
I don't remember the official deadlines -- Frederic probably does, but he is returning from his family holiday today, so will likely not be with us. 
20:18:56
Item 2.5 -- SecureU 
20:19:01
Any reports on this? 
20:19:43
Etienne
not at the moment, Michael seems to have access and asked that I will have access to. 
20:20:02
means: transfer is on the way, step by step. 
20:20:09
bdmc
Good, thank you. 
20:20:19
Item 2.6 -- Background checks. 
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Anything new? 
20:20:43
Etienne
Dirk seems very busy, I steped in for the next BGC. 
20:20:58
Date is in confirmation phase for september 2022. 
20:21:29
BGC of Kim by Ted and Etienne. 
20:21:38
KimNilsson
We're trying to drill down a day/time. Peopel are available differnt days and times. As can be expected. But there's hope. 
20:21:43
bdmc
Yes, it has been a busy summer for several of us. 
20:22:38
Item 2.7 -- New Registrar 
20:22:55
Etienne
Should CAcert's domains be transferred to another registrar, as it has been suggested by Dirk before? 
20:23:10
Michael wrote some criterias -> Agenda. 
20:23:28
KimNilsson
There seems to be several reasons pointing to it being a good idea. 
20:23:50
bdmc
I don't remember -- I thought that we had passed a motion assigning responsibility to the Critical Team, so it is no longer the Board's responsibility. 
20:25:20
bdmc
Moving on again -- Item 2.8 :: Events 
20:25:48
Does anybody want to say anything about the summer's conferences and events. 
20:26:03
KimNilsson
That bdmc - it as in the minutes to be put on the agenda of this meeting. 
20:26:10
it was 
20:26:25
and we have discussed it on every Wednesday meeting since then 
20:26:45
that's why it feels like has already been decided 
20:26:50
bdmc
You aren't talking about Events, are you? 
20:26:58
Etienne
back to 07/2020, I could not find such a motion. 
20:27:00
KimNilsson
nah, Registrar 
20:27:22
3 Question time 
20:27:22
3.1 Frederic asked if CAcert's domains should be transferred to another registrar, which has been suggested by Dirk before. It will be added to the agenda of board meeting in September. 
20:27:33
Etienne
But we can made such a motion. 
20:27:38
(registrar) 
20:27:39
bdmc
OK.  In that case I feel that it would be appropriate to make such a motion. 
20:28:45
bdmc
I move that CAcert's Critical Team be authorised to choose a new registrar for CAcert's purposes, at a time appropriate for their needs. 
20:28:51
KimNilsson
Seconded 
20:29:00
bdmc
No discussion? 
20:29:05
Aye 
20:29:18
Etienne
aye 
20:29:23
KimNilsson
CritTeam will, of course collaborate with Michael - to not make his job harder 
20:29:53
bdmc
Of course -- good point.  I feel that I should amend the motion. 
20:30:21
KimNilsson
Nah, CritTeam are competent people. Is enough that is in the minutes that I said so. 
20:30:35
And, it's in the agenda as a requirement. 
20:30:42
bdmc
OK, easier for my typing.  B-) 
20:31:05
Any other votes on this motion? 
20:31:24
sat
aye 
20:31:37
bdmc
Thank you all. 
20:31:40
KimNilsson
Thanks, was just about to ping you. :-) 
20:31:51
Etienne
KimNilsson: second = second and aye (for the records) 
20:32:15
KimNilsson
Etienne: awesome, and yes, that was also my understanding 
20:32:25
bdmc
OK, back to Item 2.8 -- Events. 
20:32:30
Etienne
I know, ... :-) 
20:32:42
bdmc
I don't expect Dirk to report on his summer. 
20:33:02
KimNilsson
I think he too was travelling during today's meeting. 
20:33:04
bdmc
Etienne, do you want to talk about Australia in their summer? 
20:33:31
Etienne
I sent a mail to our subscribers. Thats all I know. 
20:33:59
bdmc
Not planning to head South in the middle of your school year? 
20:34:28
Item 2.9 -- Remote Assurance. 
20:35:01
I am hoping that Eva will be free from her commitments this past spring and summer, and can spend a little time on this now. 
20:35:39
Etienne
You will be in contact with her? 
20:35:43
bdmc
I haven't tried to bother her until now, but will send her a message immediately. 
20:36:47
bdmc
Item 2.10 -- We have a 10 this month -- AGM 
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Yes, I know that I owe you a report, Etienne. 
20:37:25
Etienne
It's on the way. Members know the date, but no report until today arrived ;-) 
20:37:30
KimNilsson
Ok, we are heading towards a record short meeting... I now you can do it! 
20:37:51
Etienne
You do not owe a report to me, but to the community. 
20:37:54
bdmc
Yes, I was seeing that myself.  I will be free for my next meeting! 
20:38:17
Well, for the annual reports that you have to compile. 
20:38:58
Any other news regarding the AGM. 
20:39:03
( ? ) 
20:39:44
KimNilsson
When will the reminder of annual payment go out? Did it already and I missed it or didn't get any, Etienne `? 
20:40:07
Because it's supposed to be paid before theAGM, right? 
20:40:10
Etienne
You did not miss it. 
20:40:21
KimNilsson
good 
20:40:27
bdmc
Or is that perhaps a Treasurer role? 
20:40:31
Etienne
At the end of this month. about 5-6 weeks before the meeting. 
20:40:50
Treasurer for the bill and secretary for the members register, hand in hand. 
20:41:10
KimNilsson
Right, and available methods now? I think I've always used PayPal before. That still a valid method? 
20:41:26
bdmc
I hope so. 
20:41:55
Etienne
We do not like paypal. You may use CHF Bank, EUR Bank, Paypal (EUR, USD, AUD), if no bank available. 
20:42:12
bdmc
No, we don't have banks in the US! 
20:42:23
B-) 
20:42:37
KimNilsson
Etienne: ok, so I should wait till I get the reminder, for the compelte bank information? 
20:42:58
bdmc
I should see if my Canadian bank will work. 
20:42:58
Etienne
Or a bank that asks more tax than the amount. 
20:43:56
KimNilsson
Yeah, I only paid like 0.15 EUR for my latest transfer to Malta, for about 1100 EUR. So shouldn't be expensive. 
20:44:07
Etienne
paypal and CHF bank are available on the blog and the wiki, if you are in a hurry. 
20:45:14
egal
salue 
20:45:23
KimNilsson
Found it. https://blog.cacert.org/tag/iban/ 
20:45:26
Evening egal 
20:45:34
Etienne
Hello Dirk, welcome to question time. 
20:45:35
bdmc
I have always found it crazy that the banks here don't seem to know anything about foreign exchange, or almost anything to do with money outside of the local state. 
20:46:35
bdmc
Greetings Dirk.  We have just gone through the whole agenda, and reached Question Time.  ( even though I have't actually said so ) 
20:47:16
KimNilsson
egal: Is there anything about the recent event Froscon you feel should be mentioned and recorded on this meeting? 
20:47:28
bdmc
Anybody have any questions for the Board, or the meeting at large? 
20:48:16
egal: You don't need to restrict yourself to Froscon, there were other events this year, too. 
20:48:24
KimNilsson
I don't have any questions, only hgolding out hope for Michael mcr to pop his head in to day hi. 
20:48:36
"to say Hi" 
20:49:22
egal: Don't let the notion of this perhaps being the shortest meeting ever deter you from speaking... 
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;-) 
20:49:39
egal
just read all your writings ... so i'm on track now ... ;-) 
20:50:02
this year we had more assurances done (per person) than last froscon some years ago ... 
20:50:26
there was a high interest and "thumbs up" for upcoming openid connect ... 
20:51:02
and ... with the help of other stands at froscon it was possible to give everybody 100 pts (if wanted) ;-) 
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and ... august is over ... so i'll have more time again ... ;-) 
20:52:05
bdmc
egal: Congratulations! 
20:52:14
KimNilsson
Nice, thank you! 
20:52:34
egal
didn't have time the last weeks (during august) for CAcert ... need to catch up now (especially for ipv6-reverse-resolution) ... 
20:53:35
egal
eva ist still aware of the "remote assurances" stuff ... had a talk to her after business today ... (and that's part of the reason why i'm late ... as we had some discussion about it) 
20:54:04
bdmc
Thank you.  That means that I won't send e-mail bothering her. 
20:54:40
egal
hopefully she'll get in contact to you next week ... ;-) 
20:55:01
bdmc
Anything else?  I can hear Kim trying to leave.    B-) 
20:55:25
egal
(the issue of remote authentication from CCC resulted in more thinking about doing remote assurances ... 
20:55:31
KimNilsson
My phone alarm just went off, telling me the CAcert meeting will soon start. :-) 
20:55:31
egal
... and how to do it ...) 
20:55:45
we have a voice-channel, too? ;-) 
20:55:54
bdmc
( Sorry --- CCC? ) 
20:56:16
egal
chaos computer club ... i think i posted the link in telegram-chat some weeks ago 
20:56:35
bdmc
Thanks. 
20:56:54
egal
they found some issues when doing remote authentication for our health insurance system 
20:57:06
KimNilsson
egal: haha, nah, I've just been cheering everyone on as the meeting has progressed in record speed. 
20:58:36
egal
regarding secure-u i don't have any update ... will check bit.nl-portal, if the addresses changed for the next invoices 
20:59:38
egal
@etienne ... i should be able to write some reports in the next weeks ... wasn't able to prepare some in the last weeks 
21:00:23
bdmc
Etienne:  That's a good point.  When do you actually need those reports.  I know that I have been late several times. 
21:00:37
( sorry, I keep missing question marks ) 
21:01:12
Etienne
I will @ teams  and boards and so one with links and infos this week. 
21:01:26
bdmc
OK. 
21:01:28
KimNilsson
Michael says in the Telegram that he's not feeling well, and just realised he missed the meeting. 
21:01:44
bdmc
Anybody have anything else, or shall we call it a day? 
21:01:59
egal
call it a night ... ;-) 
21:02:17
bdmc
One of the three! 
21:02:58
In that case, I shall call this meeting to a close.  Our next meeting will be held here on October 6th. 
21:03:17
KimNilsson
Thank you and good night everyone! 
21:03:21
bdmc
Thank you all 
21:03:31
egal
which time? 
21:03:34
18 UTC again? 
21:03:44
Etienne
19:00 UTC (in alternance) 
21:04:16
bdmc
Thank you Etienne. 
21:04:24
Off to my next meeting. 
21:04:29
Etienne
Thank you for joining 
21:04:33
egal
okay ... see you again next month ... or in TG ... or in jitsi ... ;-) 
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21:04:45
KimNilsson
bye 
21:04:45
Etienne
or on @, egal! 
21:04:51
good bye 
21:05:15
sat
Bye! 
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→ mcr1 est entré 
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mcr1
Sorry, I missed it.  I have been out for 24h with a very intense migraine.   It stopped raining, and the headache went away finally.  I imagine it's all over now. 
21:10:53
Etienne
hello mcr1 
21:11:11
mcr1
hi. 
21:11:14
good evening. 
21:11:18
Etienne
the others left about 3-4 minutes ago 
21:11:33
I just copied the minutes on the wiki. 
21:11:40
mcr1
thank you, I'll read them. 
21:11:47
Etienne
I hope you feel better now.