20:59:32 Etienne Hello Kim 20:59:53 KimNilsson Evening 21:00:27 sat Good evening! 21:00:37 Etienne Good evening Sascha 21:05:39 egal salue 21:05:55 Etienne Good evening Dirk 21:06:32 We are still waiting for president and vice president. Should we start without them? 21:06:49 mcr hello. 21:07:11 egal is the board-meeting now or in one hour? 21:07:17 Etienne Hello Michael, good morning! 21:07:19 mcr I think it's now, but I could be wrong. 21:07:24 sat No, it is now. 21:07:30 mcr It's 15:00 here :-) 21:07:51 egal timezones still suck ... ;-( 21:08:02 Etienne Sorry, I was confused, last year we had some Australians and it was 6:00 there. 21:08:29 egal especially, if they change every now and then, when it starts to get winter or summer ... 21:09:43 Etienne I propose to start without president for the moment. 21:10:17 Does soemone like to take the chair until Brian arrives? 21:11:07 KimNilsson I can chair till Brian arrives. 21:11:13 Etienne OK 21:11:19 The Agenda is here: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-01-06 21:12:03 KimNilsson I then declare the meeting open, 2022-01-06 20:11 UTC 21:13:07 KimNilsson First order of the meting is who will make minutes, I assume someone who has edit access to wiki, or the Google Docs from 2021-08-05, unless a new document is created and shared? 21:13:28 Etienne I will write them after the meeting. 21:13:37 KimNilsson (neither of which I have access to do) 21:13:53 OK, Etienne will make minutes. 21:14:21 Does cacert-board-private or cacert-board maillist include any items that need to be disclosed to Members? 21:15:13 Etienne I do not think so. 21:15:40 KimNilsson Alright. 21:16:29 Has everyone read and are ok with the minutes from 02.12.2021? 21:16:32 Etienne https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-12-02#Minutes 21:16:43 mcr I am okay with the minutes. 21:17:14 KimNilsson Then I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 2nd December 2021. 21:17:21 sat I second and Aye. 21:17:22 Etienne second and aye 21:17:27 mcr aye 21:18:17 KimNilsson Thank you. A very short point of order there. Sorry for not knowing 100%, but some of these points don't really reuqire voting machine, right? Like the one we just did is good? 21:18:50 Etienne No, voting machine is only at the AGM. 21:19:01 Here we write just aye or naye. 21:19:09 KimNilsson Awesome, on to the next point. 21:19:38 → FD est entré 21:20:01 KimNilsson Business, 2.1 It's been suggested that "Wiki Edit Access should be granted by support" 21:20:08 mcr doorbell, back in 5min. 21:20:37 Etienne There is a problem with wiki access. Support should do this, but has not the writing rights granted. As we do not know who can grant this, I propose to vote a board motion and hope that helps (or people who can change it accept a board motion). 21:20:58 KimNilsson That sound like a great idea. 21:21:07 sat Does anyone know what the current procedure is if someone wants write access? 21:21:30 KimNilsson hehe, apparently not, since neither mcr nor me has gained it in two months :-) 21:21:40 Etienne Someone from https://wiki.cacert.org/AdminGroup is allowed to grant 21:21:40 permissions. Currently "Mario Lipinski" and "dirkastrath" are listed there. 21:21:40 According to Dirk it was previously possible for Support engineers too but I 21:21:40 do not know how this is implemented. The Wiki configuration has two ACL 21:21:41 lines: 21:21:41 21:21:41 acl_rights_before = u"AdminGroup:read,write,delete,revert,admin" 21:21:41 acl_rights_default = u"EditorGroup:read,write,delete,revert Known:read All:read" 21:21:41 21:21:41 There is https://wiki.cacert.org/SupportGroup that points to "dirkastrath", 21:21:41 "JSteijlen" and "MichaelTänzer" but I see no ACL that would grant them 21:21:41 permissions. 21:21:41 21:21:41 Effectively 21:21:41 https://infradocs.cacert.org/systems/wiki.html#application-administration is 21:21:41 still true. I don't know who is the correct person to give access to the 21:21:41 Wiki and how the process was in the past. 21:21:41 21:21:41 21:21:41 Kind regards 21:21:41 Jan 21:22:20 KimNilsson Thank you, Etienne 21:22:22 → bdmc est entré 21:22:34 Etienne So we are in the fog during a dark night! 21:22:40 sat It's so sad. 21:22:40 egal i expected ales to have access there ... but it seems, that he has no access ... 21:22:41 bdmc Am I 22 minutes late, or 44 minutes early? 21:22:52 Speaking of the dark. 21:22:56 sat late 21:23:04 egal ... but ales (as support) did not ping me with the support-case-number ... ;-( 21:23:05 Etienne 12 minutes late, Kim is chairing until you arrive... 21:23:05 bdmc Apologies. 21:23:05 sat 20 UTC is the time 21:23:18 KimNilsson bdmc: I started running the show, mate. 21:23:35 bdmc KimNilsson: Thank you -- feel free to continue. 21:23:57 KimNilsson To close out this issue, I'd like to _move that wiki edit access can also be granted by support._ 21:23:57 Etienne bdmc: 2 Business - 1 Quick decisions 21:24:15 I second and aye 21:24:19 bdmc Aye 21:24:25 sat I cannot see how such a motion can help us. 21:25:01 bdmc sat: Should it not help with responsiveness? 21:25:12 KimNilsson It increases the number of groups that can help out, but it will only be realised when someone who can currently edit the ACLs fix it. 21:25:36 sat A few minutes ago I asked how the current procedure is for granting write access. 21:26:05 Etienne There are people who can do it technically but do not have the rights. So we can back them up. 21:26:22 bdmc Is there more than one person who can do this currently? 21:26:33 egal @sat: write to support ... so support can do it itself ... or contact the person, who can do it ... 21:26:44 sat Who is that person? 21:27:25 egal mario or me ... but support (ales) did not contact me ... ;-( 21:27:39 (so i don't have the support case) 21:27:41 mcr back. 21:28:19 I support wiki can be granted by support. 21:28:20 Etienne I write to support his night. 21:28:33 *this 21:28:39 FD Dirk, couldn't you give right access to Ales, without him sending you an email ? Or didn't I understand ? 21:29:45 Etienne Can we continue with the next topic? 21:29:51 FD Yes, Ales is alive, he lost his mother at the beginning of November, but he leaves. 21:30:03 Yes, Ales is alive, he lost his mother at the beginning of November, but he lives. 21:30:47 KimNilsson 2.2 Quick infos, 1 EUR bank account: secretary asked at GRKB 21:31:02 mcr yes. 21:31:14 Etienne has to contact them for process, is last I heard. 21:31:27 Etienne 2 CCA update has been initiated. 21:31:36 3 Tax exemption: dossier is 99% compiled 21:31:42 FD I guess Ales is the right person to be granted admin access to the Wiki. He is suportive of CAcert. We talked together face to face one week ago. 21:32:10 Etienne 4. Phone call Etienne/Dirk will take place in the first half of january. 21:32:30 KimNilsson Good. 21:33:03 mcr Could Secretary also control wiki access? 21:33:45 FD Please, I did not understand what answer did you Etienne received from our GKB bank? 21:33:53 mcr No answer yet. 21:35:04 KimNilsson I agree, Secretary seems like a reasonable role to have admin access to the wiki. Also, Board members should be made members of the EditorGroup. 21:35:18 FD You mean, the bank does know the pricing of having an Euro account in their book? 21:35:45 mcr FD, I meant that I don't think we/Etienne has received info on EUR and MCR-access. 21:36:39 Etienne The info is "Etienne asked" and the next info will be "Bank told xxxx". 21:37:05 KimNilsson Thank you. Any complimentary info about the CCA update? 21:37:21 FD That is what I was asking about. The bank was not able to reply to you on the fly regarding its own pricing? 21:37:45 Etienne I am working on it and know who is not responsable of it. Research is on the way. 21:38:36 mcr (my Canadian bank has an EU account. But, don't ask anyone about it, it doesn't exist... even though I have one...) 21:39:30 FD Adressing Dirk's question about who's name we could grant write access too, on top of Ales, our colleague Mathias Fischer who supports Ales and does triage at the moment, could be granted access too. 21:39:33 Etienne Kim wrote: I agree, Secretary seems like a reasonable role to have admin access to the wiki. Also, Board members should be made members of the EditorGroup. Would you like to discuss that or make a decision? 21:40:25 FD Mathias is a volunteer wanting to help CAcert at the Support Team. We planned to make him pass a background check. 21:40:30 Etienne FD: If I understand Jan's mail well it is support that had access, not only Ales. 21:40:35 KimNilsson Etienne: They are two separate things, I assume? Board members having edit access to the wiki, I though was a given ... it just hasn't happened yet. 21:40:48 "I thought was a given..." 21:41:02 FD @Etienne. OK Fine. Support has writte access. 21:42:01 KimNilsson To follow up on the other suggestion I move that Secretary be given admin access to the wiki. 21:42:10 bdmc Second 21:42:57 FD yes 21:43:02 mcr I agree. aye. 21:43:05 Etienne abst 21:44:17 bdmc aye 21:44:54 KimNilsson Thank you. Am I to understqand that Dirk is present (using pseudonym), and currently the only one in the room able to change that setting right now? If so, can these changes be made now, please. 21:44:57 sat aye 21:45:13 FD good idea 21:46:06 KimNilsson In the meantime we'll move on to the next point. 21:46:22 2.3.1 Finance team (Michael), New ERP / decision / who, where, until when (Michael) 21:47:01 Etienne Michael, everithing on the way or do you need some support from us? 21:47:43 FD Wacław has a kind of professional burn-out at the moment. This is the main reason why he declined his nomination to the committee. I talked to him face to face three weeks ago. 21:48:21 mcr what is this "face to face" thing you speak of? 21:48:48 FD He is OK for taking care of the new CRM/ERP in the future, however, we agreed that I will second him at the begining, reding NextERP's documentation and performing a first install, with his support. 21:48:56 mcr I need to get CommunityAssociation page updated on www.cacert.org. I also wonder if we can move towards having "api.cacert.org" where all the code is, and www.cacert.org could be a static site. 21:49:12 FD, okay, you will are installing NextERP then? 21:49:46 FD I talked to Wacław by phone. Not by mail. Yes you are right, I am going to install NextERP, if I achieve to do it. 21:50:18 Etienne Thank you very much FD! 21:50:21 KimNilsson FD: Tell Wacław to be careful with his personal/professional life. 21:50:40 mcr ditto. 21:50:40 FD It would have been better to have a seasoned sysadmin to do it, however I will try to comply with the quality rules expected by Jan, espacially regarding the writting of a documentation 21:51:16 mcr FD: just install it once, and assume that it will have to be installed a second time, better. 21:51:37 KimNilsson Thank you, FD that answers the "who" question. What about clarification of "where"? 21:51:46 FD My concern at the moment is that Jan declared not wanting to participate to any now work on our infrastructure, until we make the overhal situation better from his perspective. 21:52:18 mcr we have a VM that FD arranged, I can get FD access to it via IPv6. 21:52:22 FD So, I could make an install, but for putting NextERP in production, it is a work to be performed by Jan. 21:52:41 mcr lxc containers can be transferred rather easily. 21:54:49 FD Regarding the VM, I asked my good colleague Brent to grant us access to one VM in his infrastructure. It will have 4 vCores and 8GB RAM with a huge swap on Optane ans a natted IPv4 public address for getting into the VM from the Internet. 21:56:14 FD This is a talk I had with Brent 10 days ago. I have to ask him again to do it this week-end. I suspects that the tricky part is configuring its firewall for natting it IP address. He is scarce with IPv4, hence the fine tuning which he has to do. 21:57:34 KimNilsson Ok, good, then that's moving along. Those involved can continue that conversation. Now on to the next point of this meeting. 21:57:48 Etienne This happened before Michael's time: We had terrible problems with our payment service provider PayPal Australia Pty, so we wanted to withdraw all money to our bank account if possible. My suggestion as a first step: USD and AUD from PP to bank account. EUR at the moment still waiting until it is clear with the bank account. So clear accounts to the nearest $10, the few cents will then stay with PP ;-) Details can be discussed bilaterally between secretary and treasurer. 21:57:54 FD The actual "where" question is "should NextERP be in production on Infra03"? I guess yes. But it depends of Jan to do so. 21:58:56 Etienne Any questions? Or vote the motion directly? 21:59:06 KimNilsson 2.2.3.2 Info - decision about USD and AUD in PP (Michael) (thanks, Etienne - I was just getting to that) 22:00:04 mcr I want all the cash out of paypal and into a real bank, thus me waiting for access to Bank. 22:00:12 bdmc mcr: Are we ready to make this change immediately, or would you like things to settle a bit more? 22:00:21 I see that you just answered this question. 22:00:43 mcr bdmc: I'd have done it on day two if I had access to the right account to connect things up. 22:00:59 Etienne We can also move EUR to tha CHF account. At the moment we will not lose money while changing from EUR to CHF. 22:01:43 KimNilsson Then... I move that all funds from PP is transferred to the bank account. (making the wording as simple as possible) 22:01:59 Etienne second and aye 22:02:40 FD Kim, I am fine with that, just a question regarding "how" to do it efficiently, i.e. keeping currency exchange fees as low as possible ? 22:03:12 KimNilsson FD: I assume the person doing the actual transfer will make sure of that. Feels pointless to discuss that here. 22:03:15 bdmc aye 22:03:34 KimNilsson That's why there is a Treasurer. 22:03:56 Etienne Details between Secretary and Treasurer. Paypal has a bank account on file. if MCR changes this from Westpac to GRKB we can make withdrawals with almost or no charges. 22:04:07 FD This is not as easy as Paypal -> GKB. Likely, I has to go first from Paypal to WestPac. Then from WestPac to GKB. But WestPac is not in the SEPA European Payment Area. 22:04:26 Etienne MCR and I will check this after the meeting. 22:04:37 KimNilsson Thank you, Etienne 22:05:04 FD @Etienne, OK. @Michael: will you take the risk to perform a change at Paypal, such as the bank account of the benificiary? 22:05:28 mcr I thought we already discussed this a few meetings ago. I would prefer to transfer to a EUR account at GKB. 22:05:41 But, anything is better than leaving it in Paypal. 22:06:06 FD I am very positive regarding this initiative. Just it might lock us out again from our funds, as Paypal's politics and regulations looks very obscure and unsafe of the end customer (us). I know you know it. 22:06:14 mcr FD, it's not hard to add a bank account. I don't expect any problems. But, I can't do anything until I have the access to GKB. 22:06:29 FD, right now, we don't have access to our funds, because they are in paypal. 22:06:33 FD OK. 22:07:04 mcr it's been an hour... 22:07:09 KimNilsson Good, the decision we just took doesn't restrict from doing just that, mcr (that's why I worded it as such). 22:07:37 FD So your idea is: USD to EUR and AUD to EUR, am I right ? 22:07:44 mcr No. 22:08:12 ⓘ sat s'appelle désormais sat|away 22:08:23 mcr Paypal has USD and EUR. Both go to GKB. 22:08:33 WestPac -> Paypal. ANd then to GKB. 22:08:46 sat|away Folks, I have to leave now. Will stay away here and read on tomorrow. Bye! 22:08:48 mcr transfering from WestPac anywhere else would be a disaster. 22:09:10 Etienne bye Sascha, thank you for beeing with us this hour. 22:09:18 FD Will you want to change USD to EUR through Paypal? 22:09:54 Etienne FD the treasurer will check the change rates and find the best way before doing it. 22:10:02 FD OK 22:10:14 mcr thank you Etienne. 22:11:09 FD Etienne, did you asked formally to Sascha if he wants to accept his nomination to the committee for 2022? 22:12:37 KimNilsson 2.2.3.3 Board asks whether there is anything that they can do to assist the Finance Team? (keep it brief, as time is running, and we have a lot more on the plate, which we don't want to push)2.2.3.3 Board asks whether there is anything that they can do to assist the Finance Team? (keep it brief, as time is running, and we have a lot more on the plate, which we don't want to push) 22:12:55 mcr I answered this already :-) 22:13:03 KimNilsson thank you. 22:13:27 2.2.4. OpenID Connect (Brian) <--! integration / who is in charge / what is done / what will be done until end of year / Board asks whether there is anything that they can do to assist 22:14:10 grrr - it's of course 2.4 22:14:12 bdmc I need to meet with Jan, Dirk and Ted regarding this. I have already talked, briefly, with Jan, and will continue. 22:15:15 bdmc At present, I am still learning the way forward. 22:15:18 Etienne by the way, bdmc we got a of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for this. 22:16:04 FD I thought the grant was to be delivered in EUR? 22:16:16 bdmc When we get closer to actually accomplishing something here, I am going to propose that Dirk and Jan be paid ( some amount to be determined later ) for the work that they have already done. 22:16:29 Etienne Sent 7800 EUR, arrived on 27.12.2021 8590.70 CHF 22:16:48 bdmc Etienne: thank you for the news 22:16:52 FD Thank you Etienne for the info. 22:18:31 KimNilsson bdmc: Ok, good. It feels like a project that deserves being mentioned/updated on each coming board meeting, both on what hs happened and what will happen (short run, and long run). Is that what the board can expect? 22:18:38 bdmc That's all from me for the moment. 22:18:50 Yes, that sounds like a good plan. 22:18:55 KimNilsson Thank you. 22:19:10 bdmc That needs to be added to the "Assigned Tasks" list for me. 22:19:20 FD @Brian: I hope you could be paid too, for your work as a project manager for the integration of CAcert to OpenID. 22:20:22 FD This is the goal of that grant: to be received by the hands of those taking part to the achievement of the developement, documentation, management, etc. 22:21:24 KimNilsson Next order of business. 22:21:26 2.5 Background Check - has no info, so could the person responsible for it please add comments here? 22:21:34 Etienne Who has the list with all the candidates? 22:22:07 Or let's quickly collect it here and I will put it in the minutes. 22:22:08 FD I would suggest that people report to you, Brian, about the volume of hours they work on the OpenID project. The hourly rate which we declared to the RIPE to be ours is 30EUR/h. 22:22:17 bdmc My memory says: Gero, Peter Nunn, Mathias, others? 22:22:27 FD You are very right 22:22:53 Etienne Later some board members as FD or Etienne or ? 22:23:04 Thank you for the names. 22:23:19 FD Gero Treuner, Mathias Fischer 22:23:33 bdmc Partly it depends on the work that people are being asked to do and are volunteering to do. 22:24:20 FD I volunteer with pleasure and interest to be background checked. I am curious at looking to our new procedure from its inside side. 22:25:00 @Dirk: adding Sascha to the list of people to be background check is a good idea, yes. 22:25:09 mcr yes, RIPE project should get regular updates to board. 22:27:07 KimNilsson Alright. We got a list of names. No other comments regarding Background Check? If not, let's move on. 22:27:53 2.6 New CSR software (Ted) - INFO - to Ted's knowledge there was no progress with this software in 2021. He don't expect any progress in 2022. 22:28:13 FD Kim, the general comment is that it goes very slow, we have to motivate Bernhard to make these Background Checks to happen, past week I committed to give him a call, I still have to do so. 22:28:38 KimNilsson FD: thank you 22:28:39 Etienne to Ted's knowledge there was no progress with this software in 2021. He don't expect any progress in 2022. That is bad news. But for the moment we will probably first finish more pressing things. 22:28:58 I am the watch dog for New CSR ;-) 22:29:25 FD CSR: that's just that the Java based Proof of Work delivered by Tim was far away from what we understood as possibly being a working solution. 22:30:11 KimNilsson yeah, I noted there are a few logged issues, and some have suggestions, but nothing that really works as easy as before? 22:30:20 FD Again, text communication did not help to find a commun mindset. 22:31:34 FD Software development team should meet every two month or so, in order to make integration and understanding beetween its member better, and o invite potential new comers to meet witj them, too. 22:32:15 ← LambertHofstra a quitté (Quit: Leaving.) 22:33:25 Etienne Which board member will care about this core topic and get in touch with Software regularly? 22:34:47 FD Brian would the best of the Puppet Master in this role. 22:36:12 bdmc If you wish. 22:36:18 FD Thank you Brian. 22:37:02 bdmc Put it on my Assigned Tasks. 22:37:21 Etienne I will do it, bdmc. 22:38:30 KimNilsson Next item on the agenda is very similar, and perhaps it will be accomplished by the just now assigned task? :-) 22:38:32 2.7 Software reviews - who will care about this core topic? 22:39:09 mcr where would the reviews be recorded? 22:39:21 Etienne Oups, I thought we were already there. 22:39:41 KimNilsson Etienne: it is/was sort of. 22:39:46 FD This is a topic for Brian as well, as he is the one having the head on the shoulders and understanding what our priorities are in regards to making our code evolve. 22:40:27 @ Speaking under the control of Dirk, the reviews are recorded as "notes" in Mantis. 22:40:42 @Michael: Speaking under the control of Dirk, the reviews are recorded as "notes" in Mantis. 22:41:11 mcr so pretty hard to find/collect. If I can get access, I think that they could go into the audit record. 22:42:00 bdmc mcr: If you are not an Admin in Mantis, that can fairly easily be remedied. 22:42:07 KimNilsson I'm all for doing enduser testing, as I can definitely follow intructions, but I am not a professional developer, and can't review code (other than some tiny bits of bash, javascript, and just maybe a few lines of python). 22:42:41 I'll gladly test to see if I can break things. :-) 22:42:49 bdmc KimNilsson: There are several different layers needed. Certainly "functional" testing of fixes is needed. 22:43:26 Also, there are some changes that involve changing text on a page, which should be able to be done by anyone. 22:43:28 egal the usual process is: somebody creates a bug, somebody writes the fix, somebody will test it, somebody will do the review and somebody (having ABC for software) will send the patch with mantis-bug-number to critical team 22:43:40 KimNilsson I'm farly good with words, so documenting processes for endusers is also something I can do. 22:44:07 egal so every patch being done on critical system could be tracked by the bug number in mantis 22:44:50 obviously: some of the above "sombodies" could be the same, but not all ... 22:45:34 KimNilsson egal: Thank you. 22:45:35 egal means: tests and review can't be done by the person writing the code ... ;-) 22:45:44 KimNilsson exactly :-) 22:46:58 egal so in theory i could key in the bug and write the code, somebody else does the test and review and sends it to me to get it installed on critical server(s) 22:48:27 egal according to our policy software teamlead could decice, if only one review is enough before it's sent to critical team ... unfortunately this does not work ... 22:48:45 ... due to a conflict of positions ... ;-( 22:50:51 FD Well, in the future we should ask another volunteer to be the team leader of the Software Development team. This is a good transition to our next topic: recruitment and team staffing. 22:51:59 FD Kim, our dear chair of the day, would we want to go ahead ? 22:52:32 KimNilsson Yes, but before staffing there is one more... 22:53:24 2.8 To remember... with many points - am I to assume that these are just things the board should look at whenever appropriate, but not necessarily today? 22:53:59 Etienne Yes. This is just to not forget during the year. 22:54:06 KimNilsson OK 22:54:20 Etienne 3. Question Time 22:55:01 FD Are we skipping 2.9 too? 22:55:50 KimNilsson I'll just mention... Remote Assurance - I've seen some small steps taken towards making this possible, which makes me glad. 22:56:16 FD: no, Etienne is just getting ahead of himself. 22:56:16 FD Dirk took part to the talk too, on the Policy mailing list. 22:56:55 egal not only on the policy mailing list ... i answered one mail to software mailing list ... 22:57:07 ... and had a chat to iang earlier the day ... 22:57:37 FD Very good too. 22:58:21 egal iang agreed, that some review is necessary, but it must not necessarily a "full featured" one for minor changes ... 22:58:51 somehow "bending" our policies, but not breaking it ... ;-) 22:59:52 egal so for updating the policies (as etienne mentioned at the beginning of this meeting) it should be possible without having two full-featured reviews ... 23:00:32 (only issue is to find the correct workflow to do these policy-updates under wwww.cacert.org/policy ) 23:01:32 FD Fellow members, don't you feel that the discussion has slowed down terribly in the last 15 minutes or so? Can we finish dealing with items 2.9 and 2.10 in the next few minutes? 23:01:51 Etienne yes, please. 23:02:42 KimNilsson 2.9 Staffing the teams - There are three teams listed. 23:03:03 2.9.1 Applicants to the Infrastructure team 23:03:16 2.9.2 Applicants to the Development team 23:03:27 2.9.3 Applicant to the Critical team 23:03:49 Are there any, or is there a plan on how to find such people? 23:04:15 FD We can exchange a few words about it on https://conference.germanywestcentral.cloudapp.azure.com/b/ber-n8r-r5b-a1v 23:04:32 Because it will take very long to write about it. 23:06:02 FD The CRM/ERP is one thing to be done for keeping track of our correspondance with new comers. 23:06:16 KimNilsson Ok, let's join there for that conversation 23:06:21 FD The big mail linked to CCA update is another thing we are waiting for 23:08:09 egal and even i'm waiting for this mass-mailing-request ... 23:08:14 Etienne The "big mail" is topic of the famous phone call with Dirk within the next eight days. 23:08:39 egal sounds good ... ;-) 23:10:42 FD Another idea could be to invite volunters to their very first contact to join the informal Wensday's meeting, half an hour it has started. Then, most of the meeting would be kept for the regular members, when at the same it would make very painless to get a face and voice first contact with new volunters. 23:10:59 egal good idea ... 23:11:49 KimNilsson yes 23:12:43 Etienne I first contact with seeing is great. 23:13:03 bdmc I don't know, but we seem to be scaring off new voluteers at the moment. 23:13:40 ( grrrr --- voluteers should be volunteers! ) 23:14:06 Etienne How to find new volunteers? Idea from FD: contact 2-3x year the donators by an e-mail. 23:16:06 Etienne FD: Blog and Tweet are probably not for finding volunteers. 23:17:42 mcr I went back to work 45min ago. Is this done? 23:18:27 Etienne mcr, we are talking on https://conference.germanywestcentral.cloudapp.azure.com/b/ber-n8r-r5b-a1v about finding volunteers. 23:18:31 KimNilsson mcr: Talking about how to find volunteers, and improve PR. 23:19:35 KimNilsson FD: had one name Ales... as I'm fairly sure we've mentioned before, unless it's yet another Ales? 23:19:41 Etienne Kim said: With the blog and Twitter, we only reach existing readers. The best way is probably to contact someone directly. 23:20:29 KimNilsson To grow your audience you often hneed help from someone who has a wider or different audience. They can retweet, reblog or review what CAcert does. 23:20:36 Etienne KimNilsson: Yes, only one Ales K at CAcert ;-) 23:31:15 KimNilsson Ok, conversation on the topic has been good. Also a bit about the Support team. But as I see it, there is no new applicants to either of the three listed teams, so I feel we need to move on. 23:31:50 FD Of course. Thank you for the short but instructive live talk. 23:32:17 KimNilsson 2.10 Access to local systems for board members 23:33:32 KimNilsson Kim, have access to Nextcloud, no edit access to wiki 23:33:34 FD One point on 2.10. Wacław declined to be a member on our committee for the present year. Then we have at least one vacant seat. Etienne, did you ask formally to Sascha, if he accepts his nomination to the committee ? 23:34:38 Etienne sat and FD can do NextCloud access. 23:36:45 KimNilsson Ok, that means board members wihtout Nextcloud access can request that from either of those two. 23:36:57 FD Mario and Dirk officially are admins of our Wiki. Unfortunately, Dirk cannot have access to the wiki application as an admin. We are relying on Mario for perhaps creating additional admins? Dirk will ask Jan to help him to recover his access, too. 23:37:24 KimNilsson NOW, let's move on to 3. Question time. :-) 23:37:35 There is no published question. 23:37:44 Only deciding on next meetings. 23:37:56 Etienne Had you had a look to https://blog.cacert.org today? 23:38:00 3.2.2022 23:39:37 KimNilsson Then it feels like today's board meeting agenda is at an end. Everyone ok with that? 23:40:09 Etienne OK. Thank you KimNilsson for be the chair of the meeting! 23:40:54 bdmc KimNilsson: Yes, thank you very much to taking this role. 23:41:12 KimNilsson I then declare the meeting closed, 2022-01-06 22:41 UTC 23:41:48 Etienne Good bye America, good night Europe. 23:42:02 bdmc Good Night everyone. 23:42:56 FD Thank you Kim for having been such a driving force in the conduct of the meeting. 23:43:02 Bye! 23:43:15 KimNilsson Good night everyone. 23:43:52 Etienne Good night Kim 23:46:53