Log of Board-meeting 2018-06-07-20:00 UTC Timestamp all UTC +02:00 {{{ 07.06.2018 [21:31:09] Starting in half an hour? 07.06.2018 [21:58:50] Good morning from Aus. 07.06.2018 [21:59:42] Good morning, Peter. It is hot and sunny here in Charlotte, North Carolina. ( I am working at a conference this weekend, getting set up today. ) 07.06.2018 [22:00:15] My phone says 32 degrees. 07.06.2018 [22:01:29] NASCAR hall of fame? 07.06.2018 [22:01:58] NoDa Brewing 07.06.2018 [22:01:59] It's probably around here somewhere. This is the SouthEastLinuxFest.org. 07.06.2018 [22:02:19] Reading the What's New in Charlotte 07.06.2018 [22:02:25] Good Morning, Peter (I assisted just to the sunset in my garden some minutes ago), hello Brian 07.06.2018 [22:02:29] B-) 07.06.2018 [22:02:44] 'Evening Etienne. 07.06.2018 [22:02:49] Another Peter heard from. 07.06.2018 [22:02:57] Morning all. 07.06.2018 [22:03:29] Good Morning pnunn 07.06.2018 [22:07:34] Hello fellows 07.06.2018 [22:07:47] Well, since it is now XX:05, I guess that I should call this meeting to order. 07.06.2018 [22:07:50] Morning frederic 07.06.2018 [22:08:09] Welcome, Frederic. 07.06.2018 [22:08:33] Our first order of business will be to clean up all of our old Minutes. 07.06.2018 [22:08:53] Has everybody got their Agendas available? 07.06.2018 [22:09:18] Yep. 07.06.2018 [22:09:21] The GDPR-meeting minutes (24-05-2018) are not ready now. 07.06.2018 [22:09:33] Should we set a short time limit, or go for not more than two hours? 07.06.2018 [22:09:49] Etienne: Thank you, we won't do that. 07.06.2018 [22:10:22] 2 hours would be good. 07.06.2018 [22:10:43] 2 hours is OK, 90 minutes would be better ;-) 07.06.2018 [22:10:53] My time is 16:08. I intend to be done by 18:00 at the latest. 07.06.2018 [22:11:41] OK. So, first we have the minutes for the meeting of May 3rd. 07.06.2018 [22:12:05] I move they be accepted. 07.06.2018 [22:12:29] I have a question for Etienne. 07.06.2018 [22:12:53] yes? 07.06.2018 [22:13:11] Just under Preliminaries, it says "The minutes from May 3rd are accepted." ??? 07.06.2018 [22:13:34] These ARE the minutes for May 3rd, aren't they? 07.06.2018 [22:16:33] Yes, this is a mistake, we accepted the minutes from April, 5th, as this was the meeting before (no mention of the date in the log file) 07.06.2018 [22:17:28] Can I suggest that we amend these minutes accordingly? I can vote for acceptance with that change. 07.06.2018 [22:22:12] I will second pnunn's motion. 07.06.2018 [22:22:27] aye 07.06.2018 [22:22:34] aye 07.06.2018 [22:22:40] aye 07.06.2018 [22:22:41] aye 07.06.2018 [22:23:27] Next, the minutes from the meeting of May 18th. 07.06.2018 [22:24:08] I cann't help with the next two sadly as I was absent. 07.06.2018 [22:24:35] They seem to be short and sweet. I move for acceptance. 07.06.2018 [22:24:49] aye 07.06.2018 [22:25:08] abst 07.06.2018 [22:25:12] abstain 07.06.2018 [22:25:23] aye 07.06.2018 [22:25:33] aye 07.06.2018 [22:26:18] And, finally, the minutes for May 24th. 07.06.2018 [22:26:29] Sorry, not ready yet. 07.06.2018 [22:27:08] I see that. I also did not chair it. 07.06.2018 [22:27:18] OK, no comments about May 24th. 07.06.2018 [22:27:26] On to Action Items. 07.06.2018 [22:27:40] We'll come back to mailing lists in a moment. 07.06.2018 [22:28:56] I don't see anything on the Action Items lists that are not included in the Agenda already. 07.06.2018 [22:29:23] Anything in the board or board-private mailing lists? 07.06.2018 [22:30:23] I saw nothing not already covered by the agenda. 07.06.2018 [22:30:39] Thank you. 07.06.2018 [22:30:43] The mail from Wytze will be the starting point for an overview that has to be written by the secretary or the data protection officer. 07.06.2018 [22:31:05] On to section 2, Business. 07.06.2018 [22:31:18] Item 2.1.1. 07.06.2018 [22:31:26] Anything on this yet, Etienne? 07.06.2018 [22:34:42] Nothing heard. Item 2.1.2 07.06.2018 [22:34:47] Maybe someone else will try to knock at the door? Or do a phone call ( I do not have a phone number). 07.06.2018 [22:35:02] I know of at least two new members. Are there others? 07.06.2018 [22:35:18] I know from two: 07.06.2018 [22:35:33] Ahh.. was about to ask if you had a phone number you could give me off list.. 07.06.2018 [22:35:58] Good. You two take care of that. Thank you. 07.06.2018 [22:36:47] As we are not in the EU (you and I), I can try to do some social engeneering for that. 07.06.2018 [22:37:06] Etienne maybe give me his contact details off list and I'll try and look him up. I'm going to Sydney next week by the looks of things. 07.06.2018 [22:37:25] pnunn: Ii will do my best. 07.06.2018 [22:37:37] Would somebody like to list the new applicants individually, and we will vote on each, or do them all together? 07.06.2018 [22:37:54] Together should be fine shouldn't it? 07.06.2018 [22:38:14] I, Pierre-Olivier Mercier, of xx avenue xxxxx, xxxxx, France 07.06.2018 [22:38:14] hereby apply to become a member of CAcert Incorporated. In the event of 07.06.2018 [22:38:14] my admission as a member, I agree to be bound by the rules of the 07.06.2018 [22:38:14] association for the time being in force. 07.06.2018 [22:38:14] Pierre-Olivier Mercier, CARS 07.06.2018 [22:38:14] Date 2018-06-07 07.06.2018 [22:38:18] I think there is a procedure 07.06.2018 [22:38:58] I, Alain Vaugham, of xx route de xxxxx, xxxxx, France, hereby 07.06.2018 [22:38:59] apply to become a member of CAcert Incorporated. 07.06.2018 [22:38:59] In the event of my admission as a member, I agree to be bound by the 07.06.2018 [22:38:59] rules of the association for the time being in force. 07.06.2018 [22:38:59] Alain Vaugham, CARS 07.06.2018 [22:38:59] Date 2018-06-07 07.06.2018 [22:39:21] Procedure: Someone has to second the propositions. 07.06.2018 [22:39:33] Maybe Frédéric can give us first some details? 07.06.2018 [22:39:38] Yes, as I remember, one of us will "sponsor" each of them, and then we proceed. 07.06.2018 [22:39:51] and someone has to do the proposition 07.06.2018 [22:40:51] frederic, do you know Pierre-Olivier or Alain? 07.06.2018 [22:40:55] Frederic, do you want to sponsor both, since, as I understand, you know them both. 07.06.2018 [22:42:07] Yes, I attracted all (3) of them. What is the regular procedure, literally speaking, as I am a newbie? 07.06.2018 [22:42:38] frederic: who is the third? 07.06.2018 [22:42:49] Christophe Berger 07.06.2018 [22:43:04] Of course. 07.06.2018 [22:44:04] All right. You should make a statement something like: I, Frederic..., being a member of CAcert, Inc. do sponsor XXX to become a member of that organisation. Does that sound reasonable? 07.06.2018 [22:45:11] Everybody agree? 07.06.2018 [22:45:53] aye 07.06.2018 [22:45:57] And one of us will second it. 07.06.2018 [22:46:33] I, FredericGrither, being a member of CAcert, Inc. do sponsor Alain Vaugham, Pierre-Olivier Mercier and Christophe Berger to become members of that organisation 07.06.2018 [22:47:10] Sounds good. I will second Christophe Berger. 07.06.2018 [22:47:29] aye 07.06.2018 [22:47:40] I will second Pierre-Olivier Mercier. 07.06.2018 [22:48:00] aye 07.06.2018 [22:48:28] and Alain Vaugham. 07.06.2018 [22:48:36] aye 07.06.2018 [22:48:39] aye 07.06.2018 [22:48:40] aye to all three 07.06.2018 [22:48:41] aye, aye, aye 07.06.2018 [22:49:20] Thank you for your warm welcome in their names 07.06.2018 [22:49:37] That looks like we are done with 2.1.2. 07.06.2018 [22:49:46] Item 2.1.3 The GDPR. 07.06.2018 [22:51:17] GDPR: Our Data protection officer accepted the appointment, but he has to resign in April 2019, as the UK will leave the EU. 07.06.2018 [22:51:46] Our declaration is available in English, Czech, German (French and Dutch under way) 07.06.2018 [22:52:08] Well, that gives us some time, but we need to keep this on our ToDo list. 07.06.2018 [22:52:21] One bug is filed, one will be (for pop up and footer) 07.06.2018 [22:52:51] Good, thank you. 07.06.2018 [22:53:11] Item 2.2.1. Bug 1260 -- PHP Code work. 07.06.2018 [22:53:42] Skeeper: welcome to the party. 07.06.2018 [22:54:02] Anybody with comments on Bug 1260's progress? 07.06.2018 [22:56:15] Hi, it's Christophe. Just beeing admitted as a member, thanks 07.06.2018 [22:57:06] Item 2.2.2 Bug 1417 -- Certification Generation issues. 07.06.2018 [22:57:25] Any comments here? 07.06.2018 [22:57:48] Thank you Christophe. Interesting IRC handle. 07.06.2018 [22:58:27] Finally, Item 2.2.3 -- Bug 1432. 07.06.2018 [22:59:45] Nothing heard. Moving on. 07.06.2018 [23:00:10] Item 2.3.1 -- Our fund-raising efforts. 07.06.2018 [23:00:38] Anybody want to comment on general items? 07.06.2018 [23:00:51] I will speak to 2.3.2, of course. 07.06.2018 [23:02:05] Unable to comment yet. Too new on the job. Intend to provide monthly reports and some ways to fund 07.06.2018 [23:02:38] What about: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-01/ideas#A20_Wall_Calendar 07.06.2018 [23:02:46] Understood. I sometimes worry that I am moving ahead too rapidly, but expect people to speak up if I miss something. 07.06.2018 [23:03:04] I thought that that was a good idea, Etienne. 07.06.2018 [23:03:44] thank you. I will read 07.06.2018 [23:03:50] Perhaps a range of calendars, some with scenery. 07.06.2018 [23:03:59] Different sizes, etc. 07.06.2018 [23:04:17] and one with pictures of our servers ;-) 07.06.2018 [23:04:24] B-) 07.06.2018 [23:05:04] Can contribute beach scene 07.06.2018 [23:05:10] wildflowers 07.06.2018 [23:05:38] great, I can contribute the Alps, a Lake, 07.06.2018 [23:05:45] wind and solar farms 07.06.2018 [23:06:10] Hmmm. I need to think about my own photographs. 07.06.2018 [23:06:42] I know that I have Canadian Rocky Mountains. 07.06.2018 [23:07:00] Some Scotland pictures. 07.06.2018 [23:07:17] I will let this go until XX:07, and then go on. 07.06.2018 [23:07:23] I can ask Ales from a picture from Eastern Europe 07.06.2018 [23:07:31] for 07.06.2018 [23:08:12] and I guess we need atleast one cat picture :) 07.06.2018 [23:08:35] Definitely B-) 07.06.2018 [23:09:00] Anybody have any other animal pictures? 07.06.2018 [23:09:01] :] 07.06.2018 [23:10:00] OK, let's move on. Shall we continue this conversation in board-private? 07.06.2018 [23:10:10] yep. 07.06.2018 [23:10:27] right, carry on 07.06.2018 [23:10:39] Item 2.3.2 -- The Australian Linux Grants. 07.06.2018 [23:11:40] I have had a few interesting suggestions from my "sub-committee," but it appears that I am responsible for the next step, which is either some contact with their board or the actual Grant Application. 07.06.2018 [23:12:02] I applied to join Linux Aus. No word back from them. 07.06.2018 [23:12:16] I think I'm already a member. 07.06.2018 [23:12:34] Thank you, Peter. I was under the impression that it was basically automatic. 07.06.2018 [23:12:38] I guess not. 07.06.2018 [23:13:15] I don't think its difficult if not automatic. 07.06.2018 [23:14:50] I would appreciate some more comments and suggestions, however, before I take action. On the other hand, for various reasons we do not want to delay this much more. 07.06.2018 [23:15:22] pnunn, Peter, are either of you in my sub-committee mailing group? 07.06.2018 [23:16:18] Yes 07.06.2018 [23:16:25] I have been copying all of our correspondence ( or almost all ) to board-private, as well. 07.06.2018 [23:16:54] I don't think so, but I've been so busy I've been simply filing most corro anyway unfortunately. 07.06.2018 [23:17:22] That's fine. We will get this done as soon as I can. 07.06.2018 [23:18:41] Oops. Two things. I forgot to ask who might take care of Minutes for this meeting. Any volunteers? 07.06.2018 [23:19:43] Hi everyone! 07.06.2018 [23:19:45] sorry for disturbing you, let me introduce myself: Pierre-Olivier Mercier, new CAcert member, thanks to frederic! 07.06.2018 [23:20:15] Thank you and welcome, Pierre-Olivier. 07.06.2018 [23:20:46] Nobody for Minutes. OK, I'll do that. 07.06.2018 [23:21:01] Disagree. Not you 07.06.2018 [23:21:11] You have too much to do 07.06.2018 [23:21:24] Really? Nobody? 07.06.2018 [23:22:09] Secondly. I got the numbering wrong for items 2.3.1.1 and 2.3.1.2. Please adjust ( mentally, at least. ). 07.06.2018 [23:22:36] frederic: We will work that out by the end of the meeting. 07.06.2018 [23:23:37] On to item 2.3.2, which is actually "Further Ideas" for fund raising. How does this differ from 2.3.1.1? 07.06.2018 [23:24:07] pnunn: I see that your twin has joined us. 07.06.2018 [23:24:45] Don't know what happened then.. I've got an upset wind farm I'm trying to sort out.. but that shouldn't have kicked me off here .. odd. Sorry, a little distracted. 07.06.2018 [23:25:48] Item 2.4. Etienne and I exchanged some e-mail regarding this, and I suggested that asking them to join us at almost midnight was not reasonable. 07.06.2018 [23:26:47] Would everybody accept a special meeting, something like the GDPR meeting, to ask the Arbitration Group to meet with us? 07.06.2018 [23:26:48] So, let's look for a time frame with 2-3 dates and propose them to the arbitrators. 07.06.2018 [23:27:20] Sure, if I'm not miles from an internet connection at the time. 07.06.2018 [23:27:30] ok 07.06.2018 [23:27:32] I'd be interested to hear what they have to say. 07.06.2018 [23:28:40] ok 07.06.2018 [23:29:23] OK, now do we only choose our regular Thursday night time, or are other days available? 07.06.2018 [23:30:22] They lives in continental Europe and the UK. So 20UTC will be 21 or 22 local time for them. Earlyer will not be suitable for Eastern Australia. 07.06.2018 [23:30:57] It would certainly be difficult. This is a struggle as it is :) 07.06.2018 [23:31:09] Agreed -- the time is pretty fixed, but I was wondering about the day of the week. 07.06.2018 [23:31:43] Any day works for me if, as I said earlier, I'm not out and about. Earlier in the week is usually better from that point of view. 07.06.2018 [23:32:48] For me to, any day works usually. 07.06.2018 [23:32:57] I also. 07.06.2018 [23:33:27] I will adapt 07.06.2018 [23:33:47] Would next week work for everybody or should we put it off longer? 07.06.2018 [23:34:21] next week is good 07.06.2018 [23:34:26] good 07.06.2018 [23:34:38] Early next week would work for me. Thursday/Friday would be difficult. 07.06.2018 [23:35:56] Etienne: Let's talk over night or tomorrow. I will be happy to send them the invitation e-mail and you can create the Doodle. 07.06.2018 [23:36:27] ( tomorrow, not tonight ) 07.06.2018 [23:37:17] Etienne: Any items for section 2.5? 07.06.2018 [23:37:35] In June, I am not available on 12/14/19. 07.06.2018 [23:38:04] Well, since the others are saying earlier that week, that should work. 07.06.2018 [23:38:06] 2.5 no, not from me 07.06.2018 [23:38:28] OK, it seems that we have made it to Question Time. 07.06.2018 [23:38:35] me neither 07.06.2018 [23:38:36] Anything? 07.06.2018 [23:39:00] minutes? 07.06.2018 [23:39:48] I would be happy to provide a log of this meeting to anybody, and assist you with creating the Minutes page. It is a reasonably easy task. 07.06.2018 [23:40:21] I take it, then 07.06.2018 [23:40:40] We should remove the street address from the new members and replace it by "from France" before uploading the log file. 07.06.2018 [23:40:49] Thank you, frederic. I will send e-mail tomorrow. 07.06.2018 [23:41:15] Next not-arbitration-meeting? 07.06.2018 [23:41:16] Etienne: Agreed. We won't publish that. 07.06.2018 [23:41:21] Etienne will send you before for approval 07.06.2018 [23:41:33] One month, or less? 07.06.2018 [23:41:43] Everybody? 07.06.2018 [23:41:52] as needed 07.06.2018 [23:41:57] I would suggest a fortnight. 07.06.2018 [23:42:29] June 21 or 28 (Oceania 22 0r 29) 07.06.2018 [23:42:30] I'm probably going to me missing for the next on atleast (possibly more) as I spend more time in aircraft that I really like. 07.06.2018 [23:42:58] Understood. I vote for the 21st. 07.06.2018 [23:43:20] Both good for me 07.06.2018 [23:43:31] aye 07.06.2018 [23:44:35] Everybody in favour of June 21st at our usual time? 07.06.2018 [23:44:44] yep. 07.06.2018 [23:44:47] yes 07.06.2018 [23:44:48] June 21st 20:00 UTC / June 22nd 06:00 Eastern Australia 07.06.2018 [23:44:50] yes 07.06.2018 [23:45:10] Thank you, all. 07.06.2018 [23:45:31] bye 07.06.2018 [23:45:32] It appears that we are 15 minutes short. Do you want to drag this out? B-) 07.06.2018 [23:45:45] It's great to see so many people in here, may it continue :) 07.06.2018 [23:46:10] with pnunn's wind power........... 07.06.2018 [23:46:10] I think that I had better declare this meeting closed. Thank you all. 07.06.2018 [23:46:20] :) 07.06.2018 [23:46:31] Good night/morning/evening all. 07.06.2018 [23:46:41] Good bye 07.06.2018 [23:46:57] Good Night or Morning. 07.06.2018 [23:47:20] Good morning :-) }}}