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11:00 <ReinhardM> hello all together
11:00 <StefanT> Good Morning
11:00 <ReinhardM> we will wait another 5 minutes to see, if more board members will  attend
11:00 <INOPIAE> Hello
11:05 <ReinhardM> hello and welcome to the board meeting
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11:05 <ReinhardM> Juergen will attend in a few minutes
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11:06 <ReinhardM> I hereby open the board meeting
11:07 <ReinhardM> 1.2 Accept the minutes from the last meeting.
11:07 <ReinhardM> any comments?
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11:08 <felix> Eva did changes in the wiki to my version of the minutes
11:08 <jmbruckner> sorry im late
11:08 <ReinhardM> hello juergen, welcome to the board meeting
11:08 <jmbruckner> @felix what changes?
11:09 <ReinhardM> just have a look at https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2015-12-18?action=diff&rev1=4&rev2=3
11:09 <jmbruckner> aha .. interesting
11:11 <ReinhardM> I move to delete these additional comments. If anyone is interested in the discussion he/she should have a look inti the logfiles
11:11 <ReinhardM> the transscript is not there
11:11 <ReinhardM> should be done asap
11:12 <felix> I agree with that.
11:12 <INOPIAE> I will attached the transcript today
11:12 <jmbruckner> second and aye
11:12 <StefanT> i agree with the version of felix
11:12 <ReinhardM> confirm
11:12 <INOPIAE> aye
11:12 <jmbruckner> and please add the transcripts soon
11:14 <ReinhardM> OK, the motion will be presented as motion in the system
11:14 <ReinhardM> as i see the motion is accepted
11:14 <ReinhardM> so let's continue
11:14 <ReinhardM> 3. Who is making minutes?
11:15 <INOPIAE> I will do the minutes of today
11:15 <jmbruckner> thanks Marcus
11:15 <ReinhardM> thank you, Marcus
11:15 <ReinhardM> 4. Chair asks whether cacert-board-private maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members.
11:15 <ReinhardM> no items
11:16 <jmbruckner> so far i know, no items
11:16 <ReinhardM> 5. Chair asks whether cacert-board maillist includes any business items that aren't on the agenda yet.
11:16 <ReinhardM> no items
11:16 <jmbruckner> same as above
11:16 <StefanT> nothing from me
11:17 <ReinhardM> 6. Chair introduces the URL of action items to the meeting, and asks for discussion.
11:17 <ReinhardM> no action items
11:18 <felix> we did not use them yet and therefore have none
11:18 <ReinhardM> let's go oon with 2. Businesses
11:18 <ReinhardM> Personal matters
11:19 <ReinhardM> 2.1.1 accept the membership application of Janis Streib and Neal Oakey
11:20 <ReinhardM> I move to do the acceptance for each one separately
11:20 <jmbruckner> lets do that seperately for each of them please
11:20 <ReinhardM> I accept the membership for Janis Streib
11:20 <jmbruckner> second and AYE
11:20 <StefanT> Aye
11:20 <INOPIAE> aye
11:21 <felix> aye
11:21 <ReinhardM> OK, Janis Streib is accepted a new member
11:22 <ReinhardM> Secretary, please write a message and treasurer will give the details for membership fees
11:22 <ReinhardM> I accept the membership of Neal Oakey
11:23 <jmbruckner> second, AYE
11:23 <StefanT> Aye
11:23 <INOPIAE> aye
11:23 <felix> aye
11:23 <ReinhardM> OK, Neal Oakey is accepted as a new member.
11:23 <ReinhardM> Secretary, please write a message and treasurer will give the details for membership fees
11:24 <ReinhardM> 2.1.2 two members resigned their membership
11:24 <ReinhardM> this is an information for all
11:24 <ReinhardM> 2.2 OFT report
11:25 <ReinhardM> 2.2.1 missing feedback by Kevin
11:25 <ReinhardM> has anyone any information from our Public Officer?
11:26 <StefanT> no
11:26 <jmbruckner> I dont have any information, but please dont forgot we had holidays around the world
11:27 <ReinhardM> OK
11:27 <ReinhardM> 2.2.2 list of lodged documents
11:27 <ReinhardM> we have the list and can work on it
11:28 <jmbruckner> I saw that there are many of the documents are missing in the SVN
11:28 <ReinhardM> that is a breach of our princile of Open Governance
11:29 <felix> so the communication with the OFT was not properly documented...
11:29 <jmbruckner> @felix .. sadly it wasn't
11:29 <ReinhardM> see our statutes rule 23
11:30 <ReinhardM> I expect some surprise in the coming days
11:35 <INOPIAE> Shall we ask our members if they have any idea about the missing documents?
11:36 <jmbruckner> Another hint that handovers did fail in the past
11:36 <ReinhardM> During handover these documents had to be there
11:37 <ReinhardM> The act requires that we keep a book of custody
11:38 <ReinhardM> we shall prepare a motion
11:38 <jmbruckner> yes indeed
11:38 <ReinhardM> maybe that a former Public Officer has all documents?
11:38 <ReinhardM> let's continue
11:38 <ReinhardM> 2.3 closing of Westpac savings account as the earnings are less than on the transaction account and transfer the money to the transaction account
11:39 <ReinhardM> Treasurer, please give some more details
11:39 <jmbruckner> I remember that i did discuss this with Michael last year, but we did not continue on it
11:39 <StefanT> that was a proposal to increase the earning at Westpac Bank
11:40 <ReinhardM> OK, sounds good
11:40 <ReinhardM> I prepare a motion
11:41 <ReinhardM> I move to transfer the money from Wetpac savings account to Wetpac tranaction account and close the savings account thereafter
11:41 <INOPIAE> seciond T aye
11:41 <StefanT> Aye
11:42 <jmbruckner> aye
11:42 <felix> aye
11:42 <ReinhardM> OK, motion CARRIED
11:42 <ReinhardM> let's continue
11:42 <ReinhardM> 2.4 Poll to see the position of members towards Audit
11:43 <ReinhardM> there are a lot of rumors happening behind the scenes.
11:43 <ReinhardM> One point but not the least is that "someone" postponed the meeting on 2016-01-29 for root resign procedure.
11:44 <ReinhardM> We should ask our members, if they want to continue as a Certificate Authority.
11:44 <StefanT> At Events, almost every community member asks for the Audit
11:45 <ReinhardM> The question will be send to our INC members only.
11:45 <jmbruckner> sounds good to me
11:45 <ReinhardM> We want to collect rough consensus and evidence gathering.
11:45 <ReinhardM> NO BALLOT!
11:46 <INOPIAE> I think it is a good idea to see the posiotion of our INC memberst.
11:46 <INOPIAE> How do you want to do the ballot?
11:46 <ReinhardM> We should use DOODLE
11:47 <ReinhardM> NO BALLOT, but a voting to gain rogh consensus!
11:47 <INOPIAE> OK
11:47 <jmbruckner> how secure are personal datas of our members there?
11:50 <felix> we could also do a simle HTML-form on CAcert software...
11:50 <felix> ääh on Cacert hardware
11:51 <felix> with manually built software...
11:51 <felix> the question here should be, that we want to do such oppinion gathering.
11:51 <ReinhardM> which i prefer
11:52 <jmbruckner> i would also prefer to do this poll on CAcert hardware
11:52 <ReinhardM> I move to do the poll
11:52 <ReinhardM> the system will be appointed after this meeting
11:52 <ReinhardM> we will discuss the need for privacy.
11:53 <INOPIAE> Just to do the poll but no decision which software to be used?
11:53 <ReinhardM> YES
11:53 <StefanT> second & aye
11:53 <felix> aye
11:53 <ReinhardM> AYE
11:53 <INOPIAE> aye
11:53 <jmbruckner> AYE
11:53 <jmbruckner> but i think we should keep the Doodle-Poll as 'backup' if its not possible to do this on CAcert Hardware
11:53 <ReinhardM> OK, motion CARRIED
11:54 <ReinhardM> next topic 2.5 ownership of Google+ account
11:55 <jmbruckner> well i asked our former PR-Officer 2 times to handover Admin- and/or Owner-Rights of the G+ page last year
11:55 <jmbruckner> the result was that he did remove all other admins except himself and another (former Board-Member)
11:55 <INOPIAE> Did you get any answer?
11:55 <jmbruckner> no concrete answers
11:56 <ReinhardM> As I have seen he is using the CAcert logo!
11:56 <ReinhardM> And he is no official representative of CAcert INC.
11:57 <jmbruckner> Alex just stated that "there is now ownership of a G+-Page"
11:57 <jmbruckner> that was all i got as answer from him
11:57 <INOPIAE> I think we should ask the current owners/admins one last time to handover the account.
11:57 <ReinhardM> ACK
11:58 <jmbruckner> Yes i think so too
11:58 <ReinhardM> Juergen will you please write that email?
11:58 <jmbruckner> yes okay
11:58 <ReinhardM> fix the date for an expected answer to 14 days please
11:58 <jmbruckner> yes, allright
11:58 <ReinhardM> afte that time has passed we will decide what to do.
11:59 <ReinhardM> next topic 2.6 Investigation committee
11:59 <ReinhardM> Currently 2 persons has agreed to join the investigation committee.
12:00 <jmbruckner> sorry, fire-brigade-alarm, have to run...
12:00 <ReinhardM> One is of profession lawyer, the second one is a data privacy professional.
12:00 <ReinhardM> I move to implement the investigation committee and try to fill it up with a third person.
12:01 <INOPIAE> second & aye
12:01 <felix> aye
12:01 <StefanT> aye
12:02 <ReinhardM> Juergen has left. He will gicve his answer in the motion system.
12:03 <ReinhardM> next topic
12:03 <ReinhardM> 3. Question Time
12:03 <ReinhardM> please open the channel
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12:04 <ReinhardM> Answer to katzazi
12:04 <ReinhardM> All q´your questions will be answered by the investigation committee.
12:05 <katzazi> they were answers to you not to any committe who cannot answer thenm
12:05 <katzazi> that committee is not board and cannot answer for board
12:06 <katzazi> also I will not accept such a committee
12:06 <ReinhardM> IMHO board will be questioned by the investigation committee as well as the members in question.
12:06 <katzazi> but it was a members question not a question of a committee or anything else
12:06 <katzazi> those were questions about your work and not mine
12:07 <katzazi> and as far as I understand you that committee should investigate my or other persons work and not board work
12:07 <katzazi> so you should answer on your own
12:07 <katzazi> can you please name the lawyer for that committee
12:08 <ReinhardM> Our answer is the implementation of such an investigation committee.
12:08 <katzazi> that is not an answer to those quesitons
12:09 <katzazi> another question: why did you not address the recent comments from critical and access team?
12:09 <katzazi> what is the name of the lawyer?
12:09 <ReinhardM> The answer was already given in topic 2.4
12:09 <katzazi> no
12:10 <katzazi> there were no names
12:10 <ReinhardM> names are privat concerns
12:10 <katzazi> you want me to be affected to I have a right to learn that name
12:10 <katzazi> also I have reasons to doubt that you have found such a lawyer
12:11 <ReinhardM> that is your circling method
12:11 <ReinhardM> therefor we want the investigation committee.
12:11 <katzazi> so that you do not have to answer any questions?
12:11 <ReinhardM> We see the results coming from a third party. That will be the base of a solution.
12:12 <katzazi> no
12:12 <katzazi> it will not a base for a solution
12:12 <katzazi> what about just telling us what the issues are?
12:12 <ReinhardM> So if you do not accept the investigation committee as you wrote already, we have to make a decision?
12:12 <katzazi> no you have to name the allegations
12:12 <katzazi> and go to arbitration
12:12 <katzazi> those are our rules
12:12 <ReinhardM> Are there any more questions from the floor?
12:12 <katzazi> there are no other rules
12:13 <katzazi> yes
12:13 <katzazi> I asked one above
12:13 <ReinhardM> Are there any more questions from the floor?
12:13 <katzazi> why did you not address that critical team and access team have announced to stop their work
12:13 <katzazi> because of recent board activities
12:13 <katzazi> also: why did you not answer the questions raised on board public?
12:14 <katzazi> critical team and access team are not related to the investigation committee or are they now under that committee as well?
12:15 <katzazi> also why are you censoring the questions of the members?
12:15 <katzazi> and what is missing for the OTF report?
12:16 <katzazi> why do you not use email for your non-poll?
12:16 <katzazi> when will you bring up the topics of the last board?
12:17 <katzazi> where was it changed that the cacert logo is under open license so cannot be used by someone else on their website?
12:19 <katzazi> you should be able to answer at least some of those questions now, as they were about topics handled today and any board member could have asked according questions as well so you should have an answer prepared
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12:24 <ReinhardM> We decided to give a quarterly management report. That will be published in our wiki system.
12:25 <ReinhardM> When will be the next meeting?
12:25 <INOPIAE> 2016-01+-24 10 UTC?
12:25 <ReinhardM> ACK
12:25 <StefanT> OK
12:25 <felix> yes
12:26 <ReinhardM> Thanks to all for attending the meeting.
12:26 <ReinhardM> Have anice sunday.
12:26 <ReinhardM> I hereby close the meeting.
12:26 <StefanT> Good bye
12:26 <ReinhardM> good bye
12:26 <INOPIAE> bey
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